KILL THEM ALL!!!!!

and we finally hear from the gizzled one! LOL

i heard this first hand yesterday.. all i can say is....the camps in my area had plenty of open bunks....i sure as hell didnt hear much shooting..and i havent seen many deer.. the few of us who can find deer and kill them are the minority...

sob sob, cry cry, whine whine,
Actually tears are rolling off my cheek, not from crying, but from laughing at Gary crying, whining and moaning all the time.

No I haven't killed a deer yet but it's been by my choice and doing. i know alot of people that have scored and scored in 2 F.
No not alot of shooting but, hard year for seeing deer but not cause they ain't there, dimly lighted woods, rain, fog etc. on alot of days.
I'm going out saturday, my doe season opens at first light on last day. If i see a buck and shoot it then doe season starts if i feel like it then.

cry cry sob sob,
go somewhere else you big dumby!!!!!
before you retort back Gary, I admit I hunt a large trek of private property, if you tried a little you'd be able to find a place, an opening....
How about behind Billy Acklins place, you talked big on it last winter but yet you go to the same tree on the same hill...............

atta boy Hoff!! Let him have it! LOL Gary you gotta go someplace else. Remember the chat you and I had the first year you put your boat in my garage? And you talked of an area you camped in for a long time the first time you ever came up to northern PA???? Remember that area Gary??????? It's a good place and I hunt there often , try your old haunt you might be very very surprised!!!! Oh and I have 3 doe tags and doe season starts Saturday morning for me too. I need atleast one more deer and two would be best. I won't shoot a little one no matter, I would go without first. But I will try hard for one then I might save my 2F tag for muzzleloader.

Yep Gary, go somewhere else. Each year I have been going somewhere else. Eventually, somewhere else gets discovered and then, well, you have to go somewhere else. Pretty soon there will be nowhere else.

Very discouraging when I hear folks quitting and going somewhere else because economically, it isn't doing us any good. But I must admit if half the folks quit, I would not care except that gives us a lower voting block and that could not be good. I hope you don't get a doe Gary. I hope I don't either.

I have only seen 2 deer althrough archery and rifle in 2F this year. I'm I complaining ? No, I blame myself and lack of ability get out to better places. Deer numbers are down in our area as is the number of hunters as well. Sporting good stores used to packed and now many struggle to stay open. The best thing the PGC has done for Pa hunting is introduce the mentor program. I just hope that they relize that for this program to be successsful they must increase numbers in areas that their family's once hunted such as 2F. A trip to camp with dad and grandpa is like no other especialy when Jr shoots his first deer. A processor outside of Tininesta only had 6 deer by 5 on opening day. Is it lack of deer or lack of hunters due to lack of deer? Of course when all else fails, blame it on the weather.

Hoff. Hoff. Big block of private property. Enough said.

Grizzly you have to move! You have to find new places! YES! YES! That's the answer! Let's all go to those places and

KILL'EM ALL!

I just spoke with mutiple processors. Not happy. I know the one that if you didn't get there by 5 pm on opening day they wouldn't take your deer. 2nd week of the season and they have done less than 200.

it's the weather

Originally Posted by John Lorenzo

it's the weather

I always blame the weather for getting or not getting a deer. Depends WEATHER or not I see one.

PA sucks....just sayin'

Ok, i was going to remain silent on this, but there are two sides to this coin. Are those saying to go somewhere new correct?... yes.. are those saying deer numbers are down correct? yes. For the hunter that gets to spend a large amount of time in the woods scouting, deer hunting probably isnt much of an issue, and they can find deer becuase they have spent enough time doing so. In todays work force, a large percentage of hunters dont have that free time to spend scouting. Some cant even find time to hunt except for weekends. Out of staters who also work but have camps here, the vast majority of the time, dont have the time to go look for another place. This is the problem.
The town I grew up in, has more camps then houses. The vast majority of them are empty or are after the first day. No one is out hunting anymore. My area is big woods. yes, you can tell me to move and find another place, but the people who have camps in my area always hunt the same woods. Not every one can go where the deer are now.
Yes, there is that avid hunter that has the time, and puts in the time that will always say "you have to hunt harder, and right now they are correct" People cant just go to big woods to hunt anymore.
Those that get out and scout and put in their time can say the deer numbers are good, but take a look around. The camps are empty, no shooting heard, license sales are down. Why? because people are losing interest. People who used to come to camp and hunt the same neck of the woods they always did traditionally, and up until the doe massacure, they always achieved a fair amount of success. Since then, they have found they cant do that anymore so they dont come. That is the problem.. There are deer out there, but they are concentrated in some areas and are nonexistant in others. Those that have the pleasure of hunting the concentrated areas dont see what the fuss is about.
Well the fuss is about supply and demand. Right now the supply, isnt meeting the demand, so the consumers are now not interested in the product anymore.

Yes, there are hunters out there that only go 100 yards off the road, some hunt the same areas year after year. Guess what, their dollar is worth just as much as the avid hunter. So if the shmuck cant get a deer, he aint hunting, resulting in another lost sale of a license.

Hey, NY numbers are down too. I read an article in the Post Urinal where the outdoors writer said it was the weather.....That's gotta be it. We only have an 8point, 7 point, 5 point and 2 does so far......

Originally Posted by hunterdeneugene

Hey, NY numbers are down too. I read an article in the Post Urinal where the outdoors writer said it was the weather.....That's gotta be it. We only have an 8point, 7 point, 5 point and 2 does so far......

Hardley fair compairing all of Pa to what you guys shoot. Here in 2B many of us use orginized drives and put up many many deer. Take a look at where most of the record deer come from in Pa ,it ain't 2F.

Naw...just 2F. Sorry.....

Originally Posted by hunterdeneugene

Naw...just 2F. Sorry.....

I can only speak for the areas I'm familier with and visit. Areas of 2G has low numbers also as my family still has a camp there and hunts outside of Emporium. SW Pa has a lot of deer but getting into areas to hunt them you must know someone. Public land is over crowded.

The game commission needs to take a look at the fish commission. The fish commission cant make a living on the Avid fishermen. The Avid fishermen who really fishs a lot. They are few in number and if the fish commission only relied on them, and quit stocking the stream heavily with trout. The whole system would fail. The fish commission relies on the average fishermen who shows up at camp every year, and fishes the same hole that is stocked every year. he doesnt need to go look for fish because he knows his hole is going to be stocked. The fish commission makes its living on the average fishermen.
The game commission cant make a living on the "Avid" hunter, the game commission makes its living on the average hunter who goes to camp every year and hunts the same spot every year. See.. those average hunters who only go a few feet off the road are what the game commission is relying on. Those average hunters arent being successful right now, so they are going to quit buying licenses. Go ahead and argue the deer numbers are good, the average hunter isnt going to listen, and are going to continue to quit hunting if experiencing unsuccessful hunts year after year. Youth will continue to be bored, and in the future end up playing "Big game hunter" on his/her computer because at least on there, they can shoot a deer. So the future generations arent going to buy a license. Go ahead and keep supporting the slaugher of the deer herd.. in the end.. hunting will vanish becuase the average hunter isnt going to buy a license anymore and the game commission cant make a living on you (the deer numbers are good supporter).

The outdoor channel has ruined hunting for the most part. Kids expect to see what they see on TV.

OK, a doe is going to have to jump in the back of my truck and fall over and die. I think I will use the late season to hunt grouse.

My dad got a nice buck this year, first thing in the morning on the first day. It was the only deer we saw. Never heard another shot, or saw another hunter. Yes, we hunt the same area every year and have since i was young. Funny thing is, that deer my dad got this year was the first deer that either of us got since 2004. in 2004 I got a nice 9 point. So basically my dad and I have been hunting the same area for 6 years, deerless and finally got a deer on the 7th year of hunting that area. Now I am sure you are saying right now, that "we should find some place else, or we should go where the deer are". Maybe we should have, but up until they incorporated the 2 weeks of doe along with buck, We had great success hunting that area. We always saw deer, and for the most part harvested a lot of nice bucks. It is a good area. We always passed cars, people camping, and hunters walking the road we drive on to get there. Not a soul for the last few years.

The funny thing is, the deer were healthy deer, they were well fed deer. The people supporting the herd reduction say its for the health of the herd.. BS.. those deer were healthy.. if they weren't healthy, then they would never survive our winters! The area we hunt is very very low in deer population. The woods didn't change and push them away, they were shot and taken away with nothing much in return.

Isn't it funny how the game commission introduced the youth program these past few years? We never needed a youth program when we were young. Heck we all were chomping at the bit to turn 12 so we could hunt. This year the game commission has changed the doe season here to start a week after the start of buck. Why are they making these changes? Because they realized they F'ed up! They know they are losing money and license sales, so now they are desperate to get it back.

They F'ed it up. I am sure there were/are some areas that the deer are overpopulated and needed a reduction. In those areas of high density, those are the areas that should have had the harvesting done, not the entire freaking state! Areas like ours that used to be good for hunting, and supported a good population to bring hunters in year after year were really destroyed by the implementation of the two weeks of doe.

Those of you that say the deer numbers are good, go ahead and keep saying it, numbers don't lie.. license sales are down, hunters are quiting. The deer didn't just up and leave, they were massacred, and now the game commission is not admitting fault, but sure are trying like hell to try new ways to draw the hunters that THEY pushed away.

Originally Posted by Grizzly Gary

I know! I know! Climbing up and down those hills off of Hemlock is not hunting hard!

2 nice shooter bucks in my yard when I got home this morning and 8 doe in the yard last night.... they are there you just need to get off your but and go looking in the right spots. Then again it doesn't help all the noise they are making drilling that well.